Monday, January 22, 2007

Blog for Choice Day: Why I am Pro-choice

I am a pro-choice liberal.

At one point in my life, this was not so. I was raised Catholic by an extremely Catholic mother, like rosaries, plaster Virgin Mary statues, Sacred Heart Jesus, the works type of Catholic. A central aspect to being Catholic, as we all know, is a focus on anti-abortion rhetoric which centers around the term "pro-life". As I grew older, specifically between the ages of 11 and 15, I was a rabid pro-lifer. It was the way I was raised, and all I could think about whenever I heard the term "abortion" was little babies and vacuum hoses and ew, death death death. It was a matter of principle, of course, and I was just so much better than those grotty sex addicts who couldn't think about anything other than their pleasures and couldn't see that I thought they were murderers. Bible thump, Bible thump, Bible thump. You are evil and wicked, the taint is strong in this one, yada fucking yada.

As I slowly moved away from Catholicism due to other reasons, namely the gradual disintegration of my belief in God, I began to realize where my beliefs diverged from real life. Abortion isn't some monolith, some dire machine whose purpose is to eat babies. It isn't some simplistic process which people set about in complete carelessness. Abortion is a medical procedure. Nothing more, nothing less.

What arguments for banning abortion do, as I learned, is put women in the role of either the "slut" or the "mother". The slut fucks, has no shame, and abandons all responsibility. The [married] mother is the anti-slut, the glorious achievement of womanhood. These pictures of women are, of course, merely the tools by which women are further shown their place in society, one as always the lesser person, the one that must do as she's told and accept her lot in life, whether because of biology or some other slut ate an apple she shouldn't have. Either way, it's hateful, it's manipulative, and it's, above all, misogynist.

Since women are the ones whose body bears the burden of pregnancy, it is absolutely imperative that a woman has complete body autonomy. Pregnancy can kill. Pregnancy produces multiple consequences that many women cannot deal with and that many women do not wish to deal with. To tell a woman that what her body does is not up to her is the essence of the patriarchical system. It all hinges on this one issue, whether women get to decide what happens to them.

To say that they don't implies that they are lesser people. As I grew in empathy, I realized that this is an inhuman way of thinking, the robotic denial of the humanness of others. No one gets to tell me that I can't take medicine if I get sick, nor do they get to tell me that I can't go to the emergency room to get a broken bone fixed. Why do they get to tell women that, if they have intercourse and get pregnant, for whatever reason (bad birth control, no birth control, whatever) that they can't address medically the consequences of those actions? I should have known that climbing that tree could result in me falling out of it. Why do I get treatment for the consequences of my climbing a tree?

See, sex is a part of life, and attempts to make it worthy of derision and shame are merely about making women less than men. Pure and simple. And that is the essence of pro-choice. Women are the bearers of the consequences of pregnancy, therefore, they get to decide whether they wish to be pregnant. End of story. Had my mother not wanted to have me (shown in the above picture at age two), I would not exist today, and that is okay. I did not have a right to exist as long as my existence carried consequences to the physical well-being of my mother. I did not have a right to exist as long as I was a mere parasite. What makes birth infinitely more beautiful is that my mother wanted to have me. She wanted to accept the consequences of me. She wanted me to be given existence. Who am I, who are you, who is anyone to claim that they have a right to exist when it subjugates and cheapens someone else? A woman must always be given the choice to not carry pregnancy to term. Period.

***UPDATE***

And wow. A lot of amazing entries have gone up. Shakes Sis has a good rundown, and belledame222 has an excellent collection of quotes.

22 comments:

litbrit said...

Eloquent words, my friend. You bring tears to my eyes! If my sons turn out half as enlightened a man as you, I will be a happy and proud mother.

Thank you for that.

XX
D.

litbrit said...

(Sorry, should have said "half as enlightened as you" and left out the "a man"...caffeine withdrawal and good grammar are natural enemies.)

JackGoff said...

Thank you very much, D. That makes me happy.

And ditto on the lack of caffeine. I just reread through my post and saw a bunch of grammatical errors. haha!

ravenous said...

Thank you for posting this! Great read!

Rootietoot said...

Well said. I am always willing to listen to a heartfelt and logical position.

JackGoff said...

Thanks, ravenous and Rootie. :)

feminist_scum said...

Poor post. The human inside the woman's body is not her property, and isn't her body.

If she doesn't want to have a child, fair enough. Be more careful.

JackGoff said...

Please. A fetus doesn't have the right to use another person's body as a food delivery system, same as everyone else. A woman can remove anything she doesn't want in her body and she doesn't have to supply nutrients to parasites et al.

feminist_scum said...

A fetus is a human in the early stages, and all humans deserve some basic rights. If you kill a fetus, you are taking away it's right to live.

Once you start to take away basic rights from certain humans, where do you draw the line?

Please indeed.

feminist_scum said...

By the way, I am an Atheist. So don't give me any Christian, Catholic, or religious nonsense.

JackGoff said...

Okay, cool. So, let's take that fetus out of the womb and let it exist as it would normally. It'll be just fine and dandy, just like any human, right? [Hint: if a fetus is a human and has the same rights as the rest of us, it doesn't have the right to take over another person's body.]

JackGoff said...

And also, for people who aren't thinking through a debilitating cloud of misogyny, the line is fairly easily drawn at those who have been born. Of course, you could keep arguing slippery slope fallacies and misogyny, like most of the troggies do.

feminist_scum said...

You take it out of the womb too early, and it isn't existing as it would normally, so your argument is flawed. Give birth to a new born baby, and just leave it there with no care and it will die.

You claim that it is a woman's right because it is her body - fine. It's her body after a child is born, and if we use your logic of it's her body - her choice, then by your own logic why does she have to use her own body to feed the parasite after it is born? Well it's her body and she should be able to do what she wants with it right? Fuck the new born, it's all about her. She shouldn't have to look after some little shit if she doesn't want to.

You will probably say it isn't a parasite after it's born, but it is. It needs the total care of it's mother to be able to survive, just like it did while inside of her.

You say the line is easily drawn after the baby is born. But what about a baby that is fully formed and just late? Doesn't that baby not have the same basic right to live as a baby who was born on time? Don't even try and use some argument of saying that if it's fully formed, it can be delivered and still live. Because abotion is about killing the fetus, and I can refer you to my other argument about if it's her body, she doesn't have to use it to take care of the parasite after it's born.

[Hint] Read my blog before you claim I'm a mysogynist. Just because I am anti feminist, doesn't mean I hate women.

I noticed you are a student. I see feminists who are "educating" you have done a grand job of putting nonsense in to your head. Maybe you should try and think for yourself instead of just parroting what ever they tell you.

JackGoff said...

Ok, we'll just fisk this one:

You take it out of the womb too early, and it isn't existing as it would normally, so your argument is flawed.

You're right, and as it normally exists, it is a parasite, feeding off of a woman. Good that we agree.

Give birth to a new born baby, and just leave it there with no care and it will die.

A slippery slope fallacy. If we allow women to choose not to carry fetuses to term when they don't want to, chances are astronomical that those children will be wanted, as opposed to trash by the wayside.

You claim that it is a woman's right because it is her body - fine. It's her body after a child is born, and if we use your logic of it's her body - her choice, then by your own logic why does she have to use her own body to feed the parasite after it is born? Well it's her body and she should be able to do what she wants with it right? Fuck the new born, it's all about her. She shouldn't have to look after some little shit if she doesn't want to.

She doesn't. It's called formula. Ever been around a baby? Granted, it is healthier for the child to be breast fed, but either way, your argument is nonsensical, since, if the woman wants to have the child, it stands to reason that she will want to feed it.

You will probably say it isn't a parasite after it's born, but it is. It needs the total care of it's mother to be able to survive, just like it did while inside of her.

Your argument is based on hypotheticals, but yes, if the woman does not wish to breast feed, there is always formula. The key being that the born child will be able to exist outside of the womb. Of course, as I said, when you think of things through a cloud of misogyny, it's hard to deal logically.

You say the line is easily drawn after the baby is born. But what about a baby that is fully formed and just late?

The overwhelming majority of abortions are done during the first trimester. Everything else is usually done due to health concerns for the mother. Hence your open misogyny.

Doesn't that baby not have the same basic right to live as a baby who was born on time?

This no tiene sentido as per my above statement.

Read my blog before you claim I'm a mysogynist. Just because I am anti feminist, doesn't mean I hate women.

As it seems you are openly willing to take away body autonomy from women and engage in fallacious arguments to defend your position, it is incomprehensible that you aren't a person willing to subjugate women and force them to do things against there will. IOW, a misogynist, n'est pas?

I noticed you are a student. I see feminists who are "educating" you have done a grand job of putting nonsense in to your head. Maybe you should try and think for yourself instead of just parroting what ever they tell you.

No one had to tell me what my position should be. If you read my article, I used to be right in the thick of it with the illogical misogynist arguments. "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHIRRUN?!?!?!"

I came to where I'm at on the basis of science and reasoning and empathy and yes, feminism. It's been a stronger force for equality than you and your MRA shitstains have been. Looky here, fuckwad. A shiny! Go play with it.

feminist_scum said...

Hehehe, looks like I've hit a nerve here.

By the way, you didn't rebut most of my arguments, you read them wrongly causing you to give answers which weren't relevant. For example, I never mentioned breast feeding, you assumed that's what I said/meant.

I could go back and go over your posts quoting you and giving replies, but my points still stand, and you didn't disprove any of them. You just moved around them, going on about something else while trying to give the impression you were debating my exact point when you weren't. In other words, you weasled out of them.

By the way, if you had read my blog like I suggested, you'll see that I'm not an MRA, nor a mysogynist.

Shit stain indeed. Mr internet tough guy we have here. Laughable. All big and mouthy from a distance, but you probably don't have much to say up close. Pussy. Oh shit, what that mysogynist? Like I give a damn. I know what my feelings towards women are, and couldn't care less what you think.

Someone questions one of you feminists, and you throw your toys out of the pram. I encourage people to come on to my blog and debate with me. It's good to get a different point of view. For example, I can understand why you're pro choice, and think it's understandable. I just don't agree with it. You should try and be more open minded.

feminist_scum said...

Oh, and like I tell all feminist men. I hope you never have the experience of being screwed over by unjust laws, because feminists won't help you.

JackGoff said...

For example, I never mentioned breast feeding, you assumed that's what I said/meant.

So you were unaware how women feed their children who have been born? Your argument centers on feeding children who have been born and do women have the right to not use their body to feed them. The only way your argument can make sense is if that woman is breast feeding. Otherwise, it has no point that makes sense (big surprise there).

You just moved around them, going on about something else while trying to give the impression you were debating my exact point when you weren't. In other words, you weasled out of them.

Well, have a good time believing that one, bub. In the real world, we make arguments that aren't full of fallacies or based on our own misogynist tautologies. To each his own, I guess...

All big and mouthy from a distance, but you probably don't have much to say up close.

To you? Exactly right. I don't like to get close to the abysmal excuses for humanity that constitute most MRAs.

Pussy

Thanks. I take that as a compliment, having known the power of a vagina.

Someone questions one of you feminists, and you throw your toys out of the pram.

Um, okay. Isn't that what the entire comment you're making is about? "Meany don't make no sense, says things I don't understand. Boo hoo!!!" As I said, have fun, bucko.

I encourage people to come on to my blog and debate with me.

A debate consists of people with reading comprehension. It seems you drastically lack that qualifier. No thanks.

JackGoff said...

feminists won't help you.

They already have. Multiple times over. It's easy to see that when you don't have NPD. I pity you, man. No wait...I don't.

feminist_scum said...

Your argument centers on feeding children who have been born and do women have the right to not use their body to feed them. The only way your argument can make sense is if that woman is breast feeding.

There are more ways to use your body than just breast feeding. A mother could for example use her body to go out and provide food for her baby by going to a super market for example. Another way to use her body is by physically trying to stop harm from coming to her child. I could go on. That was my whole point. So it makes plenty of sense.

If we all lived by the philosophy that as long as it's our body, we don't have to look after children, then we could all take that approach and after a baby is born, we could all just sit there and watch it die. It's our body right? Why should we use it to look after another? I'll do what I want! Screw every one else!

It's no different than a woman having sex, getting pregnant, and saying. "Hey, I don't want a child, I think I'll just rip it out of me and let it die instead." "Because I'll be damned if I use my body to look after another, even though I created this other person."

It's disgustingly selfish.

My opinion on abortion isn't absolute. I will turn a blind eye to abortion for special circumstances like rape for example.

I sincerely hope that no harm comes your way due to feminism. I know plenty of men it has screwed over, and it has made them suicidal. Me being one of them.

JackGoff said...

Well, as I said, having abortion as an option is a good first step to make sure that women who have children actually want to have those children. Another good step is to have egalitarian relationships where it isn't just one person caring for the child, but rather two people sharing equal roles which they agree upon. But, reading the rhetoric on your blog, these are not things you agree with, so we are at an impasse.

Either way, the dividing line for me is birth. A child born deserves to be fed. A fetus that isn't lives at the mother's discretion. It's simple, as I said, if you don't believe in logical fallacies.

I sincerely hope that no harm comes your way due to feminism. I know plenty of men it has screwed over, and it has made them suicidal. Me being one of them.

I have been suicidal before. I know the reasons, and feminism was nowhere near a reason.

I hope you've gotten help. Feminism, however, was not the culprit unless you have NPD, as I said, where the existence of people wanting goals that are different from your own causes you to do things that are incongruent to reality or reason.

feminist_scum said...

You have no idea how it has affected me and others. I've watched the people I love get abused by females, people like my parents and brother, only to to have the females who abused them walk away with no punishment. This is what I have a problem with.

Some woman who lived next door to us over a year ago used a hammer to attack my family over a parking space. Nothing happened to her. This is what I have a problem with.

I could go on and on.

Because maybe if women were punished for their bad actions more, less of the above would happen.

I've been on the wrong end of false accusations of females before, and even after I've had witnesses testify for me, nothing happened to the female who made the false allegations.

This is what I have a problem with.

Feminism does nothing to stop this.

By claiming I have NPD, (I assume you mean narcissistic personality disorder) you are being very dismissive, and closed minded.

I'm not going to argue with you any more, I've said all I've had to say.

I just want to let you know, that maybe you'll understand my position a lot more if you're on the recieving end. You obviously haven't been. That's what I aim to do with my blog. Not bash females.

JackGoff said...

Please. You're entire comment is an overt generalization about all females from an experience you've had with a few females. This, you blame on a monolithic construct you have created, the feminist menace. That is almost a definition of someone suffering from NPD. I don't want to go armchair psych, but I feel you really need some help.

And I'll go ahead and Godwin myself by saying that the argument you just made reads like Hitler's problem with Jewish doctors and their inability to save his mother from breast cancer. It's pathological, and I seriously hope you find solace in something other than taking away women's rights. Thread closed.